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Special effects and damage

posted Mar 18, 2013 11:57:38 by TapaniMylly
Hi
I have been wondering if there are any special effects apart from damage weapon that do not cause damage to the opponent? Is it meant that if you choose for example disarm or entangle, there is no damage done? If so, which special effects do not cause damage?
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PeteNash said Mar 18, 2013 12:44:48
It can be either-or in most circumstances, since in real combat there are always multiple ways to effect the same result with or without hurting your opponent.

Personally I allow players to decide whether or not they also inflict damage in addition to the chosen Special Effect, but I tend to reward non-fatal conclusions to combat.

I'm a bit pressed for time at the moment, but I'm sure Dan could describe different ways of performing a disarm with or without striking an opponent. One of these days I should schedule a live feed and demonstrate some of these ideas as a visual guide for folks inexperienced in martial arts...
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TapaniMylly said Mar 18, 2013 13:09:50
Ok, thanks.
Having more than 20 years of experience from MAs myself I have no difficulty thinking up ideas for non-damaging disarms. I was just wondering if this was something that is or should be written in the rules somehow, and I'm just missing it.
But I suppose I'll just judge it by case, as I have done so far.
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DanTrue said Mar 18, 2013 13:24:54
One of these days I should schedule a live feed and demonstrate some of these ideas as a visual guide for folks inexperienced in martial arts...


If it wasn't becasue of the distance, I'd love to help :)

In general, rules-as-written, yes you also deal damage. The SE is in addition to the normal effect of the attack.

Most often when I disarm opponents (or am disarmed myself) it comes as part of an ordinary strike, because the disarm or trip is often opportunistic. You hit the opponent on the leg, but realise that he has dropped his guard too much, so you grap his hands and yank.
Or you parry his strike, move in to make a pommel strike to the head - which he anticipates, so you power him backwards instead and he looses his balance.

Realistically I think it would be very hard for me to disarm an opponent non-leathally, without too much risk to myself. However: 1) I could be much more experienced than I am, and 2) I don't think it's a bad thing if the rules err on the side of non-lethality and control...
So if someone said "I will try to not hurt him when I attack", then sure.. if nothing else, use the rules for pulled blows. This just require it to be declared in advance, which I feel fair.

- Dan
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Dreameister said Mar 18, 2013 14:46:37
One of these days I should schedule a live feed and demonstrate some of these ideas as a visual guide for folks inexperienced in martial arts...


This would be great, actually - even for us who have knowledge of MA :)

Cheers,
Marko
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